Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris speaks at a campaign rally on Thursday in Savannah, Georgia.
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In her first interview as the Democratic presidential nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris affirmed her support for fracking and a tough stance on border security, including “consequences” for people who cross the U.S. border without authorization.

Harris’ spin on her past positions, however, were the newsiest parts of the interview. Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, were interviewed Thursday night by CNN’s Dana Bash, in what ended up being a relatively uneventful sit down with high stakes for the Democratic ticket. Donald Trump even called it “BORING!!!” on Truth Social.

Bash asked the vice president what she would do on Day 1 as president, what she thought of Donald Trump questioning her racial identity, and how she learned that President Joe Biden was dropping out of the race and endorsing her to replace him. Bash also asked Walz about his past misstatements on his family’s use of IVF and military service.

Republicans had criticized Harris, who just came off a four-day nominating convention, for waiting so long to face the news media. The Democratic ticket cleared the bar for the interview, though, touching on her economic proposals and offering a few blistering critiques of Trump. Harris and Trump are scheduled to meet for their first debate Sept. 10.

The left-wing positions Harris took as a presidential candidate in 2019, which her campaign has said she no longer holds, have already been the focus of scrutiny. Bash made sure to press Harris on those points.

Bash asked Harris to confirm what her aides have already said: that she no longer supports banning the natural gas extraction method known as “fracking.”

“I made that clear on the debate stage in 2020 ― that I would not ban fracking. As vice president, I did not ban fracking. As president, I will not ban fracking,” Harris responded, referencing her debate with then-Vice President Mike Pence once she was President Joe Biden’s running mate.

Asked to explain her change of heart, Harris did not go into details, but said simply she no longer sees fracking as incompatible with the country’s climate and renewable energy goals.

“What I have seen is that we can ― we can grow and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without banning fracking,” Harris said.

Harris did not explicitly state whether she no longer believes unauthorized border crossings should be a civil, rather than criminal offense, but suggested she would treat unauthorized immigration as a violation of the law requiring punishment.

“I believe there should be consequences,” Harris said. “We have laws that have to be followed and enforced that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally, and there should be consequences.”

“And let’s be clear, in this race, I’m the only person who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations who traffic in guns, drugs and human beings,” she added. “I’m the only person in this race who actually served a border state as attorney general to enforce our laws, and I would enforce our laws as president going forward. I recognize the problem.”

Republicans have for weeks hammered Harris over her changes of heart, calling her a flip-flopper and warning that she is a “dangerously liberal” candidate for the White House.

Trump ― who has flip-flopped on several issues this year, including on abortion and banning TikTok ― mocked Harris for her policy shifts at a rally on Thursday.

“She probably goes back to her room and gets sick to her stomach when she says what she says,” the former president told supporters in Michigan. “She’s a Marxist, she’s a fascist, and she never believed. Now she’s saying, ‘Oh, we want to build a strong border.’ Where has she been for 3 1/2 years?”

But Harris downplayed the new positions, telling CNN that her “values had not changed.”

“I think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed,” she added.

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